knife knotes part vII

 

Updated 6/1/02

Spring is Here

I love this time of the year. The garden is started, the grass is green, roses blooming, rain storms, what could be better.

 

New Topic Page

We have added a new topic page to www.USMilitaryKnives.com for your reading and research pleasure. We are simply calling this one The Patent Page. We hope to show different patents of knives and bayonets from the years gone by. Many are well known and have been written about. Some may be surprising. If you know of any obscure patents you have never seen written up please let us know. Keep the topic to knives, bayonets and scabbards though.

 

Randall’s Made in Turkey??

In a current conversation with a fellow collector about the Randall Made knife in the Black Hawk Down book he told us about a Randall type knife made in Turkey. We assumed it was a common low dollar rip-off just like most of the overseas junk that is imported for the flea market trade. Boy were we wrong. We found out there is a little knife shop in a town called Sinop that features a long time established family of cutlers. One small room but they pump out custom knives to no end. Apparently you pick out the knife profile you want from a catalog of photos they have and they make the knife for you from scratch. In fact you can watch them make it if you like. It was also noted that a few (many??) G.I.’s and spook types have had knives made while stationed there over the years since Vietnam! That’s correct they made Randall type knives during the Vietnam War! The knives are marked with a star and a crescent stamping but are available with out markings also. These are custom made so you get the extras you pay for while they are building it. Leave off the marking’s.... a few extra bucks and it is done! We have attached a photo that was forwarded to us but I do not know the original owner of the knife in the picture or the one who took the photo. If this is your knife or photo please contact us as we would like to get some further info from you if possible. The fellow who forwarded it to us also did not know where it came from? Thanks!

   

Knives made in Turkey

 

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"Overwhelmingly the terrorists have been Mohammedan males, moody representatives of a dysfunctional civilization that peaked in the twelfth century and knows it. Now, since these loons are known to be very high risks for blowing things up, it might make sense to focus on them in searches.
Ah, but this would be profiling. It might offend terrorists. So we randomly search people we know not to be terrorists, thus avoiding profiling. See? It’s like losing your watch under a street light, but looking for it in a dark alley."
Fred Reed, May 2002

 

White M7 Bayonet

Just picked it up over the weekend. We have seen them before but never had the chance to purchase one as they were never for sale, just on display. The bayonet is a typical M7 made by General Cutlery of Fremont Ohio. The grips are completely white all the way through not painted. The grip markings are typical for the M7 with the "11010068" and the "11010069" designators being the only marks inside. These have an "x" scratched into them from inside like somebody marked them but why is a mystery? Actually the whole bayonet is a mystery, what were they used for? Who were they used by? Are they actually government spec’ed or just for the surplus trade? We have known about these items for many years but this is the first chance we had to purchase one so they are somewhat rare, but so are "UDT" knives, and we know what category they fall into. Anyone??

The White M7 Bayonet

 

An American
"You probably missed it in the rush of news last week, but there was actually a report that someone in Pakistan had published in a newspaper an offer of a reward to anyone who killed an American, any American. So I just thought I would write to let them know what an American is, so they would know when they found one.
An American is English, French, Italian, Irish, German, Spanish, Polish, Russian or Greek. An American may also be Mexican, African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Australian, Iranian, Asian, Arab, Pakistani, or Afghan. An American may also be a Cherokee, Osage, Blackfoot, Navaho, Apache, or one of the many other tribes known as native Americans. An American is Christian, or he could be Jewish, Buddhist, or Muslim. In fact, there are more Muslims in America than in Afghanistan. The only difference is that in America they are free to worship as each of them chooses. An American is also free to believe in no religion. For that he will answer only to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and for God.
An American is from the most prosperous land in the history of the world. The root of that prosperity can be found in the Declaration of Independence, which recognizes the God given right of each man and woman to the pursuit of happiness. An American is generous. Americans have helped out just about every other nation in the world in their time of need. When Afghanistan
was over run by the Soviet army 20 years ago, Americans came with arms and supplies to enable the people to win back their country. As of the morning of September 11, Americans had given more than any other nation to the poor in Afghanistan; the best products, the best books, the best music, the best food, the best athletes. Americans welcome the best, but they also welcome the least. The national symbol of America welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of
your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed. These in fact are the people who built America. Some of them were working in the Twin Towers in the morning of September 11, earning a better life for their families. [I've been told that the people in the Towers were from at least 30, and maybe many more, other countries, cultures, and first languages, including those that aided and abetted the terrorists.]
So you can try to kill an American if you must. Hitler did. So did General Tojo, and Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung, and every bloodthirsty tyrant in the history of the world. But, in doing so you would just be killing yourself. Because Americans are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit, everywhere, is an American.
So look around you. You may find more Americans in spirit in your land than you thought were there. One day they will rise up and overthrow the old, ignorant, tired tyrants that trouble too many lands. Then those lands, too, will join the community of free and prosperous nations. And America will welcome them!
Author Unknown

 

New from Lan-Cay

Just received three new M9 bayonets in the mail. As we have reported before right here the Marine Corps M9 with the Eagle, Globe and Anchor is a reality. Stamped on the ricasso opposite the M-9 typical stamping is where it resides. And a nice job it is. Not too deep but deep enough to leave a lasting impression. As you know this type of marking is a requirement for the bidding of the next official Marine Corps bayonet. I wonder what the other competitors have in mind? Can anybody chime in here with information?

Also as reported previously the 101^st Airborne Division has the "Screaming Eagle" stamped on a new M9 blade. These bayonets have the familiar emblem also on the ricasso area opposite the M-9 typical markings. Unit appreciation also runs high in the Airborne so this is another "badge" if you will that shouts out where you came from.

And last but not least we now have the 82^d Airborne Division entering the arena with the latest stamping. The familiar unit emblem adorns the latest M9 bayonet offering from Lan-Cay. This bayonet follows the trend in the Desert Tan only models for use with the desert camo now in use over there. Taking any bets one which unit next will request a similar marking??

The 82d Airborne Bayonet

 

Quote:

"Why are officers of the court not held to standards of veracity expected even of used-car salesmen? If you pay a witness to lie, it is called suborning perjury. Pay a juror, and it is called jury tampering. Pay a lawyer and it is called fee for service."
Fred Reed 05/02

Sorry fellows, couldn’t help it. Many of our cherished friends, family members and loyal readers are lawyers, this one just made us laugh.

 

The Story of a Real Hero...

We are going to try something new here, a feature each month of an edged weapon in use. We will not engage in bloody or otherwise morbid examples but will try to cover a story where the edged weapon played a part in the courageous act displayed. Examples abound but are rarely written about. We examine every angle of the piece in our collections except for the actual use they were meant to be engaged in. We hope to feature these outstanding warriors and the cutlery they used to achieve these feats of excellence.

CAVAIANI, JON R.

Medal of Honor Citation: S/Sgt. Cavaiani distinguished himself by conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of life above and beyond the call of duty in action in the Republic of Vietnam on 4 and 5 June 1971 while serving as a platoon leader to a security platoon providing security for an isolated radio relay site located within enemy-held territory. On the morning of 4 June 1971, the entire camp came under an intense barrage of enemy small arms, automatic weapons, rocket-propelled grenade and mortar fire from a superior size enemy force. S/Sgt. Cavaiani acted with complete disregard for his personal safety as he repeatedly exposed himself to heavy enemy fire in order to move about the camp's perimeter directing the platoon's fire and rallying the platoon in a desperate fight for survival. S/Sgt. Cavaiani also returned heavy suppressive fire upon the assaulting enemy force during this period with a variety of weapons. When the entire platoon was to be evacuated, S/Sgt. Cavaiani unhesitatingly volunteered to remain on the ground and direct the helicopters into the landing zone. S/Sgt. Cavaiani was able to direct the first 3 helicopters in evacuating a major portion of the platoon. Due to intense increase in enemy fire, S/Sgt. Cavaiani was forced to remain at the camp overnight where he calmly directed the remaining platoon members in strengthening their defenses. On the morning of 5 June, a heavy ground fog restricted visibility. The superior size enemy force launched a major ground attack in an attempt to completely annihilate the remaining small force. The enemy force advanced in 2 ranks, first firing a heavy volume of small arms automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenade fire while the second rank continuously threw a steady barrage of hand grenades at the beleaguered force. S/Sgt. Cavaiani returned a heavy barrage of small arms and hand grenade fire on the assaulting enemy force but was unable to slow them down. He ordered the remaining platoon members to attempt to escape while he provided them with cover fire. With 1 last courageous exertion, S/Sgt. Cavaiani recovered a machine gun, stood up, completely exposing himself to the heavy enemy fire directed at him, and began firing the machine gun in a sweeping motion along the 2 ranks of advancing enemy soldiers. Through S/Sgt. Cavaiani's valiant efforts with complete disregard for his safety, the majority of the remaining platoon members were able to escape. While inflicting severe losses on the advancing enemy force, S/Sgt. Cavaiani was wounded numerous times. S/Sgt. Cavaiani's conspicuous gallantry, extraordinary heroism and intrepidity at the risk of his life, above and beyond the call of duty, were in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service and reflect great credit upon himself and the U.S. Army.

Well that is just the beginning of the story, what it doesn’t say is that Cavaiani was not extracted and was left to fend for himself on that isolated mountaintop. As the NVA advanced in heavy numbers Jon was shot in the lower back with an AK-47 round. At that point he began to crawl to the nearest bunker to take refuge. Once inside he found a fellow American John Jones among the living. At this point the NVA soldiers were traveling from bunker to bunker blasting the occupants with grenades and rifle fire. No one was to be left alive, or so it seemed. An NVA soldier entered the bunker where Cavaiani and Jones were hunkered down and fell victim to Jon’s Gerber Mark II Fighting Knife. A second NVA approached and Jones shot him dead. A grenade was thrown in but the two determined American were still among the living although both were terribly wounded. Jones decided to exit the bunker as his wounds were preventing him from any further resistance, this was a fateful decision as an AK fired and Jones fell back into the bunker dead. A second grenade soon followed and the concussion from the blast knocked Cavaiani unconscious. At this point the enemy set fire to the bunker while Jon was inside, he had to lie still and play dead throughout the ordeal. When he thought the coast was clear he started to slow crawl out of the charred bunker only to again receive fire, this time grazing his head. As he awoke to an NVA soldier looking through the dead bodies of the defenders presumably for anything worth stealing, spoils of war so to speak. Jon pulled that trusty Gerber Mark II again and rammed it so hard into the soldiers chest he could not extract it. Jon made good his escape from the hilltop and traveled for 10 days towards friendly lines. He was finally captured by the NVA within site of the American camp, Firebase Fuller. The NVA never admitted to his capture until his 1973 release. Jon Cavaiani, a real American Hero.

 

Ek Knives

OK we are beyond confused here on this one. Who owns Ek Knives and the associated history and trademarks? Seems there is a fight brewing on this one between two concerns, one located in Virginia and the other in Michigan. It seems that after Blackjack knives folded in 1997 the Ek name disappeared along with it but that is not the case. The Ek name continued through custom production back in the old hometown of Richmond. Or so we hear. Ken Warner purchased the name to Black Jack and has started selling the knives again. But the name of Ek was not included with that bankruptcy sale?? Or so we are told. The Ek knives are being produced again in Michigan but in the hunting models only?? So we are told.

As you can see we have a lot of hearsay and it depends on which side you listen to as to who is telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. We just want to document it for the sake of history, so can anyone tell us what is actually going on? Is there a court case in the wind for the grand old name of Ek? The original John Ek is probably sitting up there right now shaking his head!

WW II Ek ParaMarine Knife

 

Other Items of Interest

So often we get e-mailed that we should stick to the topic of knives, after all that is what folks come here for. We wish we could. Sorry but we have other interests also, many of which are put into this page. As you who follow these ramblings know we love a good quote. If it has a sharpened edge content in it all the more better but it isn’t absolutely necessary, it need just be entertaining. We like social commentary on political and current events. It has to point to some sort of injustice that puts us on edge, opens the eyes, or makes you see red. Wasting tax dollars is a favorite. Those $800.00 hammer stories just drive us insane! Political Correctness is a major target for us. What ever happened to just being correct, leave politics out of the equation, it has absolutely nothing to do with being right? Some of the other items we never seem to talk about but rank right up there are: Guns, Food, Motorized Vehicles, Wine, Coffee and Tobacco. Now many on that short list are politically incorrect we know but that doesn’t change the fact that we like them. So with that said we really want to get to our next hunting trip in a Ferrari F40, perhaps a 1973 Daytona Spyder will do, convertible of course. After a full week of shooting, Rigby .275's to Boss Doubles, we want a Prime Rib, medium rare of course, dinner with all the trimmings and a bottle of Cabernet, followed by a dessert of fresh strawberries and cream. Coffee, Jamaican Blue Mountain of course. The after dinner cordial would be Courvoisier XO Imperial cognac along with a Partagas cigar. Politically incorrect, you say... You bet! Well man does not live by knives alone!

 

Awesome Quote:

"We’re in the business of killing people. We’re going to find the enemy, hunt them down, and we’re going to put a knife in them."
Brig. General William Catto, Director of the Marine Corps Warfighting Lab.

 

An article reprint which appeared in the May 2002 issue of National Defense Magazine

The Corps Gets Ready to ‘Fix Bayonets’

by Harold Kennedy

The Marines are looking for a few good bayonets—more than a 100,000 of them—but they aren’t sure yet what the weapons should look like, according to James Riordan, director of combat equipment and support systems at the Marine Corps Systems Command in Quantico, Va.

The bayonet, named for the city in France where it is said to have originated in1647, is one of the oldest weapons in warfare, but the Marines are convinced that it still has an important role to play, even in an era of precision-guided munitions, Riordan said.

In fact, the service—citing a continuing series of bloody ground actions, such as Afghanistan and Somalia—is increasing its emphasis on close-combat training, including use of the bayonet and combat knives.

"Sometimes, infantry still finds itself in situations where it can’t shoot and there are still enemy soldiers to fight," he said. In those cases, bayonets—affixed to the barrels of rifles and carbines—can be formidable weapons, he said. Bayonets are also useful in peacekeeping operations, such as crowd and riot control, where casualties need to be limited.

What the Marines want to do, Riordan said, is replace their 1960s-era M-7 bayonet, which is primarily a stabbing weapon, with a new version, having a cutting edge, that also can serve as a combat knife.

"Right now, Marines who need a combat knife and a bayonet have to carry around two blades, which is awkward," Riordan explained.

The service wants to fix that problem, and it wants to do it quickly, he said. Last fall, the Marines announced plans to award a sole-source contract to the German-based company, Eickhorn-Solingen.

The firm was "the only known source capable of delivering bayonets with the Marine eagle, globe and anchor markings at a rate of 5,000 per month beginning 30 days after acceptance of the first 50 limited production units," the notice said.

The result, however, was a barrage of letters, e-mail and phone calls from U.S. manufacturers—including many of those who made the M-7 and the Army’s M-9 bayonet demanding a chance to compete.

"They were outraged," said retired Marine Maj. Homer M. Brett, author of "The Military Knife & Bayonet," who helped design the M-9.

So the Marines canceled their original plans and announced a new competition for the contract. A total of 17 firms responded.

The Corps wants to field the weapon within six months of awarding the contract, Riordan said. "We hope to buy an existing design," he said. "We’re trying to take advantage of the state of the art."

 

Last Months Trivia Question:

What was the first year Gerber made their gray handled Mark II fighting Knife?
Answer: 1966

Ron Allard has a tee shirt on the way. We had many answers this month, thanks for playing along.

This Months Question:

During World War Two a version of the Navy Mark 1 was stamped Geneva Forge. Who was the parent company of Geneva Forge during that time period?

E-Mail us here with your answer trz@mcsystems.net

 

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"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops ..."

Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, Philadelphia (1787)

 

Rubber Training Knives

In a recent photograph just sent to us, we can see a nice profile of a rubber training knife now in use by the Marine Corps in their Martial Arts training program. As can plainly be seen this is not the traditional Applegate / Fairbairn, Al Mar Knives produced rubber training blade. Question being what is it? It doesn’t seen to resemble any knife I know of, perhaps a very small Smatchet would be close. Who is the manufacturer of this training aid? Anyone?

USMC Rubber Training Knife

 

Multi-Tools

In a recent conversation with an active duty EOD Technician we discussed a few knives. A question we brought up was the use of the pocket tool. Seems everywhere you go these days these tools are clipped to the belt. They are very handy to have items and best of all it really doesn’t bother anyone, even the most rabid anti-weapon person, when you are seen wearing one. Now you can’t wear it on an airplane but you can walk into any shopping mall in the country without a second glance from security or other shoppers. The same on base, try walking around with a Randall Model 18 on your hip and see what happens.

The utility of these mighty midgets are beyond compare. We have toted a MIL-K 818 utility knife around for almost 20 years and can attest to the fact that having a few simple tools on you can make life so much easier at times. These new gadgets make the old MIL-K knife look like a Model T next to a Ferrari, no comparison. Well anyway seems the unit of choice is still the old Leatherman Super Tool, black, with crimper jaws for the EOD types, not "authorized" just preferred. The Gerber, which is "authorized" and which is by far the most likely to be seen in the military, due to the NSN attached and the PX having them stocked to the ceiling, are not liked as well. Personal preference is always debatable but this is a feeling we have had told to us by three different folks on three separate occasions. In fact they were even from two different services. Not mentioning any names but the EOD men liked the Leatherman better, but we still actually see more Gerber's on the uniformed.

Authorized Gerber Multi-Tool

 

Quote

"...he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword... "

Revelation 13:10

 

Knives of the IDF

Last month we asked the question of everyone, what knives are the official issue of the Israeli Defense Forces? We seen a Ka-Bar being used in a photograph from a newspaper and wondered if the knife made by Nowill really was IDF issue. We received several responses to the query. Many folks pointed to the web sites of knife sellers on the Internet listing the Nowill knife and the common write up. This is pure salesmanship and we wouldn’t use that as fact, hearsay but not fact. The Star of David found stamped in the ricasso is quite a new feature as the older knives by Nowill did not have this feature. Possibly started in the last two years. This blade profile has been in existence since the early 1900's with the Marbles Ideal pattern. It was identified by Stephens in his 1980 book Fighting Knives as an Israeli Utility knife. Well even prior to this that particular blade profile was being sold by Indian Ridge Traders as a kit knife. They would sell you the blade and leather washers to make your own handle. Look at the knife closely in the book and see if it looks hand made to you? One fellow we heard back from states it as fact that this knife is in use by the IDF and is looking for documented proof of it. This person has told us he has seen them, knows folks issued them, and has handled them, all courtesy of friends in the IDF. We are close to believing but need proof on this one first. Just too much speculation involved for all these years. We were only interested as we thought it may have been a Ka-Bar that was issued but now it has us intrigued and needing an answer.

So Called IDF Knife, is it??

 

Robeson Shuredge

In a recent discussion with a fellow collector we compared knotes on the Robeson Mark 2 machete. A somewhat rare machete to find these days and very rare to find one with the wood handle intact. Why do you suppose that is? Just about every Robeson machete we have seen and held has had a split or cracked handle on it. For sure machetes were work horses and did a tough job so they were used and abused. We have found large numbers of used Collins machetes which were almost sharpened to the spine but the handles were still intact. Although most manufacturers used plastic of some sort by World War Two for machete handles some were still using wood. Perhaps this is one of the reasons wood was phased out. Can anyone chime in here on this one? Your experiences with the Robeson wood handled Mark 2 machete, cracked?

 

They are still out there!

How would you like a Scagel to land in your lap? How about being about the sixth guy offered it when all the others either didn’t know what it was or refused it? Well it happened a few weeks ago. A fellow comes walking into a show with one for sale and starts asking dealers along the way if they are interested in buying an old knife. After the first few the fellow was feeling like he was striking out, no bites at all. Then about the sixth dealer or so asks to look at it and goes right for his pocket! Sold. Yes a Scagel 7" hunting knife just walked in through the door. Congrats to Walt Lojeski on his fantastic find!

       

 

They are still out there 2!

We also hear from good friend Bob Tronolone that he just picked up a Solingen Randall Model 18 in a riveted scabbard! Got it from a small gun shop and traded a little .22 pistol for it! Bob writes to us he is still shaking from the deal! We know that feeling and it don’t come often!! Congrats to Bob on his newest toy and a great find! A superb knife at any price.

      

   

Tell us about your exciting find!! 

 

Updated 7/4/02

The DAS Markings

Just because it has a "Defense Acceptance Stamp" (DAS) mark doesn’t mean it is right. If the forger can fake the bayonet they can surely fake the paint and ink stamp, child’s play for those folks. Just as the item could be authentic without the stamp, it could be a fake with one. Don’t bet the farm on the white ink stamp, use your head as with anything else. In fact the DAS stamp could make you lower your guard, be extra suspicious of a perfect one just for good measure. The DAS was approved as a replacement for the proof and inspection markings in late 1952, but was not actually used until a year later. Around November/December 1953, the standard Defense Acceptance Stamp made it’s appearance on the stock of the M1 Garand rifle among other places. They are prominent on the M5, M6 and the M1917 bayonets, look for them now that you know what they are. The DAS is simply an eagle with wings spread sitting over three stars and surrounded by a box, usually in white ink but also seen in black. Some bayonets have it hot stamped right into the guard. Again just because it has one does not make it official government issue.

DAS Stamping on a B.A. Inc. M1917 Scabbard

 

Why Do Folks Dislike E-bay So Much?

I hear an awful lot of folks bad mouthing e-bay and the high prices, sniping etc. Well it ain’t e-bay that is doing any of those things, it is other buyers. E-bay just establishes the place for people to meet and put up their wares for sale. Just like the biggest knife show in the country but not just on a special weekend, every day. High prices you say? Think back to pre computer days. Just how many of the current knives and bayonets on e-bay would you have seen without that computer. Do a search on just the local areas you would frequent. If you live in Maine don’t look at the knives in Florida or Oklahoma, just Maine or perhaps New Hampshire or Mass. Remember you would not have seen those other items without e-bay. If you were one to fly to a few shows a year you may have seen a bit more but wait, how much did that cost? Flights, hotels, parking, meals, car rental, taxi, bus etc. A quick weekend trip to a big show would set you back a grand. Think the M1905 on e-bay went for about $150.00 too much, hell you just saved $850.00 and found one that was just about mint. The variety on the web is immense, you will see more in a month then you normally would in a year of just doing shows. I am not saying to do away with shows, I love then and the computer can not compare to actually being there and handling the knives but if you want to see a lot and not leave your house you can’t beat it. The biggest problem I see with it is that other people know about it, a lot of other people, and you frequently get out bid. Too bad, supply and demand dictates price and emotion dictates value. You may not want to spend $10.00 on a knife I want for $100.00, value is what the seller wants to get rid of an item matched with what a buyer is willing to pay, nothing more, nothing less. Just like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, value lies in the individual. Just because the price of gas is $1.25 doesn’t mean everybody will like it, anymore then a Robeson M3 blade marked and dated mint in an M6 scabbard would be worth $1000.00. Value is a perception, not a fact or a price written on the tag. Sue if you wait long enough you may find that Robeson for $400.00 and you may find gas at $1.15, but for those who don’t want to wait and think it is of value the web just brings it into your door. On another front ebay allows collectors to see variations they would take years to see. Even if the person does not get to buy the item they can see it and know one is out there. It took me over twenty five years to get the Mark 2's I have. It took ten years to get every date of MIL-K knives. I see folks getting knives that took me years to find in months. For those studying knives and bayonets it is a literal gold mine on the web. Sales lists in the past were few and far in between. Today they are non stop on the web. There is too much good going on for me to look a gift horse in the mouth. Now if they would only allow guns back into the site I would even be happy with them.

 

Planning Ahead with MIL-K Dates?

Did you know that the 2002 MIL-K knife is not being made yet? Still assembling the 2001 model. Not that the 2002 is any different except for the date but I have always looked for the current year date in the past and was never able to find one. So I finally did the sensible thing and asked Camillus expert Tom Williams. Tom told me they run the blades in batches and make a lot at a time. In fact they make enough to last a year and then have new dies made to strike the next year. So when they run out of the current year is anybodies guess, only when the sell out do they make more blades. So far they have not missed a year, I can vouch for that as I have accumulated them all from 1957 to 2000 so far. Little behind the times, I need to pick up a 2001, they are still being made from what I hear!

 

Cutting Down the Weight.

A old joke said that the General asked "How much it cost", the Second Lieutenant asked "What does it do" and the foot soldier asked "How much does it weigh?"

There is more truth to that old adage then you might suspect. I recently watch a special on the D-Day landings at Normandy that stated many of the men died from drowning and many of the vehicles swamped from being over loaded with overloaded men. Add that to the photos of the men in Afghanistan humping 150 pound packs and you can see why the trail of thrown away bayonets during World War Two led to the front. For ages men have thrown away what they don’t need on the march, the problem is they need everything they can get their hands on prior to the onset of the march, or so they think. Added to the usual issue items are personal items, books, wallets, magazines, cooking pots, cards, money etc. etc. Well the movement to issue lightweight gear is good provided the gear can do what it is intended to do. More important though is the question, is that gear needed? Several studies point to 40 pounds being the limit going into battle. The limit of 40 pounds of equipment you need for a fixed battle with replenishment right behind you. This is not for Rangers or others living in the bush for a week, this is for the line infantryman. Chief Historian for the WW II ETO, Colonel S.L.A. Marshall, pointed out in his book, "The Mobility of One Man", that the weight a man can carry in a road march is no match for what he can carry in battle. More weight then that hastened bodily exhaustion and completely destroyed the individual mobility in combat scenes. In 1950 an Army Board convened that further investigated the condition. They concluded that the soldier, supposedly equipped to meet every contingency had been overloaded with supplies and equipment. This is basically wrong as the soldier is a fighting weapon not a vehicle for transporting objects, we have trucks for that. The problem was reducing the load to 40 pounds, this the Board could not come to agreement on. At the time the basic load weighted in at 45 pounds plus clothing and water, which brought the load up to 55 pounds. One outcome was to remove items not needed. The thought of eliminating the bayonet was brought forth. This was seriously contemplated as the "day of the bayonet" was long gone. One thing we did learn in WW II was the men would retain their knives. So the M5 was born out of this thought, light and knife like. Much like the M4 was retained until the very last, the M5 would be also. It served two purposes. Later yet the thought of eliminating the bayonet was again brought up when the M14 rifle was close to adoption. More tests were slated to tell us what we already knew, the M6 was adopted. Anyway the lesson needs to be learned all over again just from looking at those huge packs the boys are humping in the Middle East. Lighten the load General, but keep the knife!

 

Blue Elephants?

Who snatched the 4½-by-5-foot blue elephant sculpture parked outside the U.S. Marine Corps commandant's house in Washington?

One of 200 brightly-decorated elephants and donkeys - so-called "Party Animals" - revealed in recent months by first lady Laura Bush and D.C. Mayor Anthony A. Williams, the blue elephant's demise has residents of Capitol Hill abuzz with conspiracy theories.

Some speculate that the elephant was ordered removed by Marine Commandant Gen. James L. Jones because it was painted light blue and featured a U.S. Army airborne paratrooper on its side.

"This is the fun speculation," one city official tells this column. "After all, it's painted light blue, an Army color, and has the airborne insignia, and the Army airborne is not the Marines."

The more realistic story?

"The story I have been told is that the commandant himself called the mayor and had it removed for security reasons. He doesn't want anything sitting there," the official explains, referring to the threat of terrorists packing the plastic beast with explosives.

The colorfully painted animals, mascots of the Democrat and Republican parties, were positioned along Washington's avenues as part of an art project. Each animal was to have remained in place until this fall. 

The above was sent to us as  a joke, we decided to run with it. It was previously published as Washington Beat.

 

They are still out there...

Our good friend Bill Porter reports a wonderful find. See pictures below. This one was purchased on ebay for the "Buy It Now" price! A find of the year in the M9 collecting field. A Buck Screw pommel M9 prototype actually issued and used in the field. This is the type of bayonet you only get to see in the books, well not anymore. Congrats to Bill on the superb find!

   

Close up showing the markings and a disassembled view showing the solid tang and screw pommel.

 

Heroes

We are lucky our children get to see real live heroes out of all this mess of the war on terrorism. Ordinary people in extraordinary circumstances, doing extraordinary deeds, that folks is a hero.

 

History Trivia

As I like to remind folks around this time of the year, in 1776, at the founding of America, there was a Holy Roman Empire, Venice was a republic, France was ruled by a king, China by an emperor, Russia by an empress, Great Britain was a constitutional monarchy and Japan was ruled by a shogun. All of those governments have passed into the pages of history. The only constitutional republic to retain its democratic form of government is that little union of 13 states founded on the northeast shore of the New World by courageous and farsighted men and women who believed profoundly in the declaration that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness

Jack Kemp 7/1/2002

 

A Friends Passing

It is with great sadness that we relate the death of Mr. Anthony Carter, who passed away 22nd June 2002, as a result of natural causes following a recent operation. We have known Mr. Carter for a number of years and always found him to be a wonderful resource in his knowledge of bayonets. His most recently released book German Sword and Knife Markers A-L is destined to become the standard to which all others will be compared. At this writing we are unsure of the follow-up work covering makers in the M-Z range.

As we have written before, we are merely the protectors of the objects we collect. As time marches on new collectors share in the wealth left behind by those that proceeded them. Go in peace good friend and rest assured your coveted treasures will surely find a good home with the young collectors of today. We shall miss your presence but fondly remember you when your books are called for to educate us with your knowledge.

 

Mike Silvey, A New Book

Well it finally arrived, and it was worth the wait. Mike has done it again, mixing wonderful full color photographs with informative text to bring us a book missing from the collecting world. Pocket Knives of the United States Military is a long overdue work. Never given their full credit when compared with the big brother, the straight blade, the pocket knife has been a part of the military hardware for many years. Mike takes us along the journey from the very beginning if issuing knives right up to the modern era. The books layout is in chronological order making each turn of the page a little closer to the present day. Along with the photos we learn about history and the usage of the knife along the way. Many of the knives featured have never been shown in any publications that we are aware of. These first time featured knives enrich the hobby and lay out a path for future collectors to follow.

Following in the Silvey tradition the book is hardbound. A 7 X 8 inch format is new to us but certainly compliments the photography. Totaling 135 high glossy acid free pages the book presents almost 200 different pocket knives along with many military items of the time period. Many of the objects Mike selects for his background and props are in themselves very collectable.

Destined to become a classic on the subject, this is one you do not want to miss. You will refer to it many times. What else can we say about it, Mike has done a great job as usual, we have come to expect that from the Master. The books are expect to arrive by July 19, 2002 and will be on sale at that time. Price is 24.95 plus $5.00 shipping, a bargain at today’s book prices. Pocket Knives of the United States Military is one that should grace the shelves of every knife collector and will be a welcome addition to our library.

We are taking pre-arrival orders in anticipation of the books appearance. Drop us an e-mail and we will reserve you a first edition.

Pocket Knives of the United States Military

 

The Randall Chronicles

A new book a long time in the making, 37 years to be exact. Written by Pete Hamilton, prior Randall shop foreman since 1970, this book teems with experience. More then just a history book, this work takes you through the building of the Randall knives from steel delivery to post production embellishments. Photographed along the entire route we have never seen such detailed, in depth behind the scenes activities published about the Randall shop, ever. This is how Randall Made Knives produces the quality product so in demand. Following the production section we have identification of knives. Knives from all eras are depicted with close up photography showing spacer arrangements to help in dating. Sheaths are shown in detail along with snaps and buttons again leading us to nailing down the knives era. Stones, handle materials and even steel used are all shown in the photos. This book is packed with them, front cover to back. Knives pictured are pulled from some of the greatest Randall collections on earth. Many prominent collections are displayed for the first time in any publication. Knives never before seen in the public audience are featured in full glorious color. This book is a must have for any serious Randall collector and a great addition to the library. This is one we know we will wear out in time just referring to it again and again. Mr. Hamilton is a wealth of knowledge, known throughout the world as "The Randall Man" Pete has included several of his articles published previously in the original question and answer format. If it is rare Randal Knives you are interested in this book most likely covers them in detail and in photos.

The book itself The Randall Chronicles is a hardback 8 1/2 X 11 inch format. A total of 160 high quality glossy paper pages should last much longer then we will. Priced at $79.00 plus shipping. They are available from Tom Clinton. Tom can be reached at tlclinton@AOL.com or by phone at 815-885-3396

The Randall Chronicles

 

The Plug Bayonet

To this day the origins of the bayonet are still a point of controversy. One thing we can nail down for sure is the progression of their development. The Plug bayonet starts the line-up. Compiled in this book are more photos, drawings and descriptions of the plug bayonet then we have seen in ten other books on the subject. I am saying it now, this book is destined to become the standard on the plug bayonet, period. Our good friend Mr. Roger D.C. Evans has compiled his years of research into one book which covers the entire spectrum of plug bayonets. It would be hard to imagine any more information not covered! Historically the book is simply awesome. Mr. Evans covers the design and evolution of the plug bayonet in chapters covering areas of construction and usage. Sections include The British Isles, France, Spain, Italy, The Low Countries, North and South America and India to name a few. Photos of some of the rarest and most exotic bayonets know to exist in the world are depicted. Often accompanied by drawings from rare books and wood cuttings are in themselves hard to find collectibles. Many items from museums around the globe are presented in photo and description, affording the collector and researcher access to many items behind glass and locked doors often in storage. Identification markings are presented where applicable such as cyphers, touchmarks and engravings. Pulling all scattered information into one book is a formula all writers and publishers aspire to, Mr. Evans has certainly accomplished that feat here.

The Plug Bayonet itself is an 8 1/4 X 12 format hardback printed on high quality archival paper destined to outlast our lifetimes. Photography and drawings are reproduced in black and white showing great detail. Covering 263 pages in A4 size over 500 plug bayonets are depicted. Also included is a detailed bibliography showing original resources to the book and paper collector. Price is 42.50 Pounds or about $60.00 U.S. plus shipping, currently about $17.00 airmail.

If there is a more knowledgeable researcher, writer, scholar on the subject of plug bayonets it is simply unknown to us. Mr Evans has given the collecting, researching world a huge gift.

The Plug Bayonet may be obtained directly from Mr. Evans at:

R.D.C. Evans  
Brook House,
1&3 Brookhill, Baildon, Shipley
West Yorkshire, BD17 6NS, UK
or
plughole@legend.co.uk

The Plug Bayonet

 

Randall Fighting Knives in Wartime

This has been just an outstanding month for books. As you all well know we are book lovers here and the library continues to grow. Here we present yet another book to collectors and researchers alike. A collection of Randall Made knives covering the war time eras of World War Two, Korea and Vietnam are presented in full color. Many never before seen color photos of rare Randall Made Knives that are highly collectible today are presented with write ups for each knife. Pulled from major collections we are treated to a comprehensive range of fighting knives and other rare militaria in the full page photographs. A value guide is included to current day standards. Although with the growth and success of collecting older Randalls we don’t expect this feature to stay current long! Randalls are booming in the price range while the stock market is collapsing. The author, Mr. Robert E. Hunt, a prior service Marine acquired his first of many Randalls in the 1950's while serving in uniform. Mr. Hunts career included not only the USMC but 20 years with the Mass. State Police. Mr. Hunt knows knives and their uses. As you will see in the photographs Mr. Hunt is not only a knife collector, many of the background props used in the photos are highly collectible items unto their own. Not only is this a photo book, the author has included several of his historical articles from his web page. Dating through sheaths and snaps is laid out in a very easy to understand table. Wrist thong attachments are covered, this we had not seen before and it is a welcome addition. A great article on the Springfield Randalls is included as are Johnson Split back sheaths and manufacturers stamping’s. The knives themselves are simply outstanding examples of many of the most sought after Randall fighting knives ever made.

Published by Turner Publishing, Randall Fighting Knives In Wartime is a hard back format glossy cover with glossy dust cover measuring 8 ½ X 11 inches. The high glossy paper is acid free archival type to last for lifetimes. It contains 184 pages with 80 full color shots of the highly collectible knives. Price is $44.95 with 6.50 shipping in the U.S. Order by phone at 800-788-3350 or e-mail to dtbooks@bellsouth.net A great addition to the library, you won’t be sorry.

Randall Fighting Knives in Wartime

 

With so many books this month we did not spend much time out and about. Four new books and not a bad one in the bunch! Awesome!

 

The USMC Bayonet Update

We hear that the Marine Corps has started requesting the bayonets proposed in the earlier letter requirements to be shipped in for testing from all the current respondents. All must comply by July 12, 2002 or be eliminated. Three of each design submitted are to be sent. We have been in contact with several of the companies and representatives but are sworn to secrecy. We don’t know the exact dates yet for any answers to the testing but we are trying to stay as current as possible and pass that along to you. So far we do know it won’t be the M9 as currently produced, if the Corps wanted that they could just order them through current government channels. They are looking for a new weapon and tool. It is interesting to note that one of the current requirements was to fit on the web belt and the new MOLLE II gear. Just this past week the Corps decided to scrap the multimillion dollar MOLLE II gear system after combat failure in Afghanistan. So if the bayonet is designed to fit the new gear but the Corps doesn’t have the new gear where will they stick it.....

 

Getting Around...

In a recent article about the Canadian Snipers there was a reference to the Diemaco C7 rifle currently in use by Canada. Just in fun we checked the company site to see if they had any info on the standard C7 bayonet or the M9 bayonets they had purchased from Buck to supply to the Royal Netherlands Army. Surprise, surprise, surprise, (in our best Gomer Pyle voice) they did have an excellent article on the M9. Strange but it looked familiar to us, well it should have, we wrote it! Apparently picked up off the web site here it covers the M9 in Dutch.

   

Note the M9 bayonet mounted on the C7 rifle in photo at left and the C7 bayonet lying in it's scabbard in the photo at right next to the C8 Carbine.

 

Last Months Trivia Question

During World War Two a version of the Navy Mark 1 was stamped Geneva Forge. Who was the parent company of Geneva Forge during that time period?

Answer:
Edward Katzinger or EKCO. The correct answer was first supplied by Mike Wiedemann. Mike is the proud owner of a new WWW.USMILITARYKNIVES.COM Tee Shirt now available in Green with Yellow lettering. Nice Job Mike!

This Months Question

What rifle is depicted on the USMC Good Conduct Medal and what bayonet fits that rifle? Both parts must be answered correctly to win.

The first correct answer wins a Tee Shirt in your color choice Gray or Green. 

e-mail us at trz@mcsystems.net with your answer

 

The Death of the Bayonet?

Most scholars believe the end came in 1916 with the British at the Somme. That terrible battle of attrition ended the thought that advancing infantry would be expected to walk into the battle with bayonet exposed attempting to intimidate the enemy. Machine guns were not intimidated easily. Shortly after that battle infantry platoons were reorganized to become specialists in various different trades of warfare. Prior to this act, mass bayonet charges were the order of the day. One of those fights we will discuss here today.

Second Lt. Albert Jacka, Australian Imperial Force, found himself in the middle of a vicious German Counter Offensive on August 7, 1916 around Pozieres. Jacka who had already won the Victoria Cross at Gallipoli the previous year was no stranger to combat. During the battle some 40 AIF "diggers" were captured by German forces in the assault. Jacka found himself in charge of seven men, some wounded including himself, attempting to rescue the 40 men. Jacka led his men, bayonets fixed towards the German trenches. As they approached the lines a German soldier climbed from the trench expecting more prisoners and Jacka shot him dead. Seeing this battle develop from their vantage point additional AIF troopers joined in the charge. It seems this small group of men, determined to free their fellow mates incited a mass offensive. This impulse movement caught the German forces completely off guard, Jacka and his men started clearing trenches one by one, shooting, bayoneting and grenading as they progressed. Lt. Jacka wounded many more times in the ensuing assault was like a man possessed, he would not relinquish his charge until those men were free. Credited with killing 20 Germans himself, the charge eventually reached the captives well behind the front lines. Once the guards were taken care of all the prisoners were set free and upon returning to the friendly lines they also brought with them 42 German prisoners. Jacka was nominated for a second Victoria Cross for his bayonet charge but this was downgraded to the Military Cross. His actions that day were later related as "the most dramatic and effective act of individual audacity in the history of the AIF" along with a title that was bestowed upon him by the press and those that knew him, "Australia’s Greatest Front Line Soldier."

To this day, this is the reason the bayonet has not been eliminated, it is not the weapon that is important it is the fighting spirit it instills. The bayonet is dead..... not hardly.

 

Updated August 2002

 

Pocket Knives of the U.S. Military

Mike Silvey’s newest book is now here. Take a look at our book page for some details on it and for ordering instructions. As with any of Mike’s books, you will only be sorry if you don’t get it.

Click on cover for full size photo

Silvey Pocket Knives

Click above for full write up and ordering instructions

 

George Washington’s Will

Here we present an excerpt from President George Washington’s last will and testament providing that each of his nephews, William Augustine Washington, George Lewis, George Steptoe Washington, Bushrod Washington and Samuel Washington should receive one of his swords. They were each asked to chose one sword that the president had owned that they wanted to keep in the above order by birth. The President had left one stipulation to obey: "these swords are accompanied with an injunction not to unsheathe them for the purpose of shedding blood, except it be for self-defense or in the defense of their country and it’s rights; and in the latter case to keep them unsheathed and prefer falling with them in their hands to the relinquishment thereof."

We can argue the point that perhaps the greatest president this country has ever seen is the man that did not want the job in the first place, George Washington. One thing we can say about old George though is that he was eloquent in his choice of words. Today we see the above sentiments on bumper stickers: "You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers." We certainly like George’s version better....

 

A Great Mind

William (Wild Bill) Donovan, Coordinator of Information appointed by FDR, wanted to recruit a Cornell graduate from Boston named Stanley Lovell. Lovell, who was an industrial chemist, was needed to head the new Scientific Research Department to be formed within the soon to be named O.S.S. One day in 1942, while crossing Boston Common, Lovell was approached by MIT President Karl T. Compton, who asked him to join the National Defense Research Committee (NDRC), a group of academics consulted by the government on the war effort. After some consideration, and the warning that if he did not he would "regret all of your life if you refuse Uncle Sam now", Lovell agreed to go. He described his work as follows: "What I have to do is to stimulate the Peck's Bad Boy beneath the surface of every American scientist and say to him, throw all your normal law-abiding concepts out the window. Here's a chance to raise merry hell. Come help me raise it.'" And raise it they did, Lovell went on to be called the Father of Scientific Intelligence. The real "Q" from James Bond if you will. And what exactly does any of this have to do with edged weapons you ask? Lovell left his job as executive vice president of the Beckwith Manufacturing Co. the makers of plastic scabbards during World War Two to join the O.S.S. We found that interesting and just jotted it down.

 

Why?

We hear of the recent horrible tragedy in Georgia where a young boy was shot and killed at a gun show. Our first thoughts are of the family and our heart and prayers go out to them. We then turn to the adults responsible, aren’t all guns loaded at all times until proven otherwise? Why in the world would someone load a gun at a show, even if it is legal? Gun-shows are under enough pressure already from the anti’s without something like this. We supply them with the gun, bullets, and then not only do we place it to our heads we actually pull the trigger on ourselves. If I could have only one wish it would be that stupidity was painful, therefore we would have much less of it in the world today. Fortunately there is a cure for stupidity, education or death. Every rule of safe gun handling was broken. In the interest of education they bear repeating here:

Rule #1. All guns are always loaded. Always. Never assume that one is not. Never

Rule #2. Never let the muzzle point at anything you are not willing to destroy. Never.

Rule #3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.

Rule #4. Be sure of your target as well as what is behind it.

All are common sense rules as stated by gun handling master Jeff Cooper. I didn’t have to look them up, they are scorched into my brain and they should be in yours also.

 

Ego Trip or Just Plain Nuts?

As first reported by the BBC Saddam Hussein did donate blood, a pint at a time for three years, so a calligrapher could handcraft a 600-page copy of the Koran. It's now in a Baghdad museum, every word written in the dictator's blood. It seems a pity they didn’t take more, all at once!

 

New Ontario Bayonets?

These are certainly some interesting pieces. The shorter one is a take off of the Mark 2 with a somewhat re-enforced point instead of the usual clip point. Perhaps a cross between the Mark 2 and the old 225Q by Cattaraugus while the longer one seems to be based on the Hell’s Belles Bagwell designed Bowie currently being manufactured by Ontario. The short one which we will call Version 1, has the same stamping and markings as the high polish presentation model Mark 2 made by Ontario. Both share the same handle configuration, an ergonomic variation that is a cross between the typical M9 handle and the ever familiar Mark 2 with the five grooves but containing raised cross-hatching in between. The plastic handle is marked with the Eagle, Globe and Anchor, the Marine Corps Insignia, in an oval escutcheon area specifically molded in for it. The bayonet mounting fittings are typical M9 production pieces which one would expect for economy on the part of the manufacturer and the military inventory system. No need to stock separate pieces for mounting to identical rifles. Both blades are parkerized a non reflective flat black. The Version 1 scabbard uses the typical quick release Bianchi type clip for belt mounting but that is all it has in common with the M9 rig. It is straight for the full length of the blade with a rectangular drain hole in the flat bottom. No provisions for a wire cutter are included. It is Desert Tan in color and crosshatched at the top area. The Version 2 scabbard is made from a one piece folded ballistic nylon material which is sewn and riveted for strength and does not possess a quick detachable belt retainer. This scabbard is black with a small piece of black leather at the throat to protect the nylon from rubbing wear. Is this the Ontario Bid for the new Marine Corps Bayonet Program? The above information and photos are from our good friend Bill Porter who has a knack for finding good stuff. He does it the old fashioned way, he works at it.

Version 1, Click on photo for full size view

Version 2, Click on photo for full size view

Side by Side Comparison

 

Crozier Technical High School Knives

This one still has us perplexed. Thousands of knives were made by the students during World War Two for the men fighting on the fronts. We pretty much have the story nailed down but a photo of one of the knives still eludes us. What did they look like? With over a thousand made surely one has survived. We have enlisted the help of the Dallas Public Library, the Dallas Historical Society, and concerned citizens of the area. Still nothing in the way of a photo. The school is slated to be razed in the interest of progress, a strip mall most likely but that we are unsure of. The Dallas School Board does not have any information it can use to help us in the search. Several Dallas area history bulletin boards have been contacted and queries posted, no luck. The Crozier Tech Alumni Association has been sent several letters but no response has been forth coming. The search is now on for a possible yearbook if one was even published. Many companies and schools did not publish during the war in an effort to conserve paper. If anyone has even a shred of evidence we would be delighted to hear from you. At this point we are asking for guesses. The knives were made from old files and power hacksaw blades discarded from war plants for the most part. Forged in the metal shops the knives were shaped and ground. The wood shop made "bois de arc" handles for the knives, while others were given round steel handles welded on in three plies over the tang of the knife. Two types were made, the "Texas Bowie Knife", and a "Scalping Knife." As we constantly hear of students being expelled for nail clippers, plastic butter knives and pocket nail files we would love to write a large "human interest" piece on the topic of how the times have changed. The bonus would be identifying the knives for what they really are and paying tribute to the kids who helped to equip our men in the countries time of need.

(A photo of the knife should be here!!)

Here is a photo of the school, it is the best we can do so far! 

 

Speaking of schools...

"There can be no greater stretch of arbitrary power than is required to seize children from their parents, teach them whatever the authorities decree they shall be taught, and expropriate from the parents the funds to pay for the procedure."

Professor Charlotte Twight in "Dependent on D.C."

Government education teaches acquiescence to its authority. The history taught in school today is unbelievable, figuratively. Political correctness has taken such a foothold that certain subjects can not be taught or even talked about in the classroom today for fear of hurting someone’s feelings! We were taught that learning from others mistakes was a form of progression, without teaching some of the horrible mistakes of the past how are our children to avoid making them again?

 

Union Fork and Hoe Transition from M1905 to M1 Bayonets

Union Fork and Hoe, at the time of transition from M1905 to M1 production, used up a large number of forged blanks that had already had a portion of the fuller forged in. This was a process of the original forging operations. This results in a blade with the normal M1 fuller and a narrower and shallower groove which goes to the tip making it look much like the typical M1905E1 cut-down bayonet. Exactly how many were made like this is unknown but enough were made that they are encountered from time to time. Not exactly common but not uncommon either. To add to this confusion we can also encounter U.F.H. made models with a full length fuller cut-down to the M1905E1 style that are not dated. Now conventional wisdom tells us this shouldn’t be so but none the less they are out there. What we can surmise is that U.F.H. had blanks from the M1905 bayonets they had not yet used, nor stamped, when the order to cut down was given. In fact they had them in different stages by the looks of the products we can now find. Raw forgings with the narrow and shallow fuller and processed forgings with the full length and full depth fuller struck into them. Instead of just throwing them away or melting them down they were processed just like a normal M1 with the old stamping dies, dates, and new stamping dies, no dates. So we can find a U.F.H. bayonet with a full length fuller cut down to an M1905E1 example. A U.F.H. bayonet with a partial depth full length fuller and the regular M1 bayonet with the short length fuller all marked with old dies dated 1943 and the new dies without the dates. An example with an undated marking but a full length fuller is most likely a bayonet that was sitting in the warehouse when the change over took place from long to short bayonets, uncommon to find but not impossible. All in all some interesting variations to look for....

 

Bayonets and Golf

Don’t seem to go very good together would they? Well according to the newest golf club designer Charles A. "Mickey" Finn it just a matter of physics and nothing else. Best known to edged weapons collectors as the designer and manufacturer of the Phrobis M9 bayonet and the Navy Seals Combat Utility Knife or CUK, Finn now produces putters. A designer of many weapons systems for undercover work and infantrymen alike, Finn was named in the Tom Clancy book "The Cardinal of the Kremlin" in 1988 effectively bringing him out in the open. Not a good place to be for an undercover type person. Not long after the demise of the Phrobis company Finn switched his thoughts to other non-lethal endeavors of design. Recently it was with golf clubs, a putter to be precise. The newest club is called the "T-Bar" putter. It seems to ring a little like K-bar, maybe some of the old edged weapon is still in Mr. Finn. We wish him the best in his latest designs.

 

Trivia Questions and Answers

Last month we asked:

What rifle is depicted on the USMC Good Conduct Medal and what bayonet fits it? Both parts must be answered correctly to win.

The answer is, the M1895 Lee Navy Straight Pull Rifle and the bayonet is the M1895. Answered correctly by several folks the first one in was our good friend GySgt. Joe Palmieri. A US Military Knives . Com Tee Shirt is on the way, in the new green of course!

This months question:

In the early fencing bayonets used by U.S. forces, what animal by-product materials were used?

E-mail us here with the answer... trz@mcsystems.net 

 

Who do you want to exterminate?

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1928, Germans established gun control. From 1939, to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1935, China established gun control. From 1948 to 1953, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1956, Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1964, Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1970, Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last century. Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they wish to have exterminated.

 

Korea, 1951

The Chinese were in their full offensive. Seoul had been captured on January 4^th and the 1^st Marine Division had made their withdrawal successfully from the frozen north. February 7^th the 27^th U.S. Infantry Regiment started an attack in the vicinity of Soam-Ni. E Company led by a young Captain Lewis L. Millett personally led the attack. Here we present the Medal of Honor citation bestowed upon Capt. Millett:

MILLETT, LEWIS L.

RANK AND ORGANIZATION: Captain, U.S. Army, Company E, 27th Infantry Regiment.

BORN: 15 December 1920, Mechanic Falls, Maine.

ENTERED SERVICE AT:Mechanic Falls, Maine.

PLACE AND DATE: Vicinity of Soam-Ni, Korea, 7 February 1951.

CITATION:

Capt. Millett, Company E, distinguished himself by conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty in action. While personally leading his company in an attack against a strongly held position he noted that the 1st Platoon was pinned down by small-arms, automatic, and antitank fire. Capt. Millett ordered the 3d Platoon forward, placed himself at the head of the 2 platoons, and, with fixed bayonet, led the assault up the fire swept hill. In the fierce charge Capt. Millett bayoneted 2 enemy soldiers and boldly continued on, throwing grenades, clubbing and bayoneting the enemy, while urging his men forward by shouting encouragement. Despite vicious opposing fire, the whirlwind hand-to-hand assault carried to the crest of the hill. His dauntless leadership and personal courage so inspired his men that they stormed into the hostile position and used their bayonets with such lethal effect that the enemy fled in wild disorder. During this fierce onslaught Capt. Millett was wounded by grenade fragments but refused evacuation until the objective was taken and firmly secured. The superb leadership, conspicuous courage, and consummate devotion to duty demonstrated by Capt. Millett were directly responsible for the successful accomplishment of a hazardous mission and reflect the highest credit on himself and the heroic traditions of the military service.

Below we feature a few photos of the man. The first one is from Korea and the second one is our autographed photo which we have hanging here in the office.

    

Click on photos for the full size view

 

Strider Bayonet

Here we have a photo of the Strider Knives bayonet. That is all we have of it. Who can tell us something about it?? We know it is based on their D-9 series with removable mounting fixtures. What we want to know is the Who, What, Where, How and Why answers.

Click on the photo for the full size view

 

Eat at the Outback Restaurant

This one was sent to us by several folks. Those of you that known us checked it out before they sent it. We checked it out too, it’s for real, and a great story of America at it’s best.

On 19 June 2002, fifteen Outback Steakhouse (an international chain of Australian-themed restaurants) employees worked with military personnel in Kandahar, Afghanistan, to cook and serve ribeyes and Bloomin' onions to members of the 101st Airborne Division stationed in that desolate region. Temperatures hit 117°F that day, and the fifteen civilians wore water-filled backpacks called "camelbacks" to keep themselves hydrated. It took those fifteen Outbackers three days to reach Kandahar from the United States (travel into war zones is a tricky affair), but once they arrived the U.S. troops were served the best meal they'd had in a long time.

The folks from Outback brought 6,700 steaks, 30,000 shrimp, and 3,000 giant onions with them. Broccoli, rolls, french fries, and cans of O'Douls (a non-alcoholic beer) completed the meal. For dessert, Jeff's Gourmet Pies of Tampa donated 6,600 slices of cheesecake.

This is good eating even to those who haven't spent months chowing down on little else but powdered eggs and T-Rations. For the troops in the field, it was manna from heaven. Visit an Outback Steakhouse, they deserve our thanks.

 

Now on the Flip Side

The average settlement for someone lost at the towers on September 11, 2001 is almost 1.2 million dollars. The top award so far is 4.7 million. The family of a trooper killed in Afghanistan can expect $6 thousand and a little over $1700.00 for a funeral. Something seems wrong here doesn’t it?

 

M1941 Dutch Navy Cutlass

We just purchased one on ebay and still have questions on them. This one is marked Vince on the ricasso area. This would have been made during World War Two by the Vince Fencing Equipment Company, not Vince Forge who made the machetes and the diving knives. We are in the process of tracking down information on the two Vince’s so if you can contribute any clues they would be greatly appreciated. In fact any information on the M1941 Cutlass or it’s brother the M1917 would be welcome.

 

Let’s Try Something Here

How about sending me some write up’s on you favorite knives? Photos of your favorite piece or some topic we can discuss? We write about topics we like or tidbits we hear of but aren’t sure if it is what you all want to hear. We need some other opinions, how about it??

 

The P-38

Did you know the P-38 can opener was named after the number of holes needed to poke through a C-Ration can? We didn’t but that is what the Army says so we will go with that. Neat story but we doubt it is true. Anyone have another theory?? 
Thanks to Carter Rila for bringing that gem to our attention.

 

September 2002 Update

The Newest Military "Issue" Knife

Known to the Army Special Forces as the "Yarborough" and to everyone else as "The Green Beret Knife", this no-nonsense, hardworking tool was designed by renowned, official Special Operations Command knife-maker and designer, Bill Harsey with function and manufacturing input from Chris Reeve. Harsey is certainly no stranger to Special Operations having made knives and prototypes for none other then the late Colonel Rex Applegate.

Bill Harsey at the 2001 Oregon Knife Collectors Show, courtesy OKCA

 Chris Reeve certainly needs no introduction as his knives are used the world over by special operations and conventional troops alike.

Chris Reeve hard at work on the Hardness Tester, courtesy Chris Reeve website

 Made in Boise, Idaho by Chris Reeve Knives, the Green Beret Knife is a using knife that, just like the men for whom it was designed, is efficient, tough and uncompromising. Named after General William P. Yarborough, the knife celebrates the Special Forces legend, the father of the green beret. At a time when the Army disdained the beret as headgear Yarborough wore his beret to a meeting with the then President of the United States, John F. Kennedy. Kennedy liked the beret so much it was fast tracked through the system for official approval. Kennedy claimed the Special Forces or "Green Berets" as his own fighting force.

Brigadier General Yarborough meets President Kennedy wearing his unauthorized "Green Beret".
U.S. Army Photo

Special Forces provided an Honor Guard at the Presidents funeral.
U.S. Army Photo

Of the 500 knives ordered by the Army, 318 will be presented to the Green Beret candidates who will graduate in this year. That initial order will be followed by an order for another 1,000 to be sold to active and former service Green Berets. The Army will pay about one-third less than the $299 retail prices for the knife. It is predicted they will make 2,000 to 2,500 pieces over the next 12 months.

The background story according to Anne Reeve: "Several months ago, we received a call from our good friend, knife-maker Bill Harsey from Creswell, OR. via legendary knife-maker, Ron Lake, he had been requested by U.S. Army Special Operations Command to design a knife for the U.S. Special Forces, and Bill wanted us to manufacture the knife. Once he had a basic pattern, a very clean, no-nonsense knife, he and Chris refined the details from a manufacturing and function point of view. Prototypes were made and presented, and the selection process began. A myriad of military hoops were jumped! We received invaluable assistance from Bill Strang of Tactical and Survival Specialties, Inc in Harrisonburg, VA and it is through TSSI that the actual sales will be made to the military. Bill, Chris and I visited Ft. Bragg in June and the final details of the project were ironed out. We received the first order for 500 knives in July. The first 300 knives were presented to graduates of "Q" (Qualification) Course on August 23, 2002."

The serial # 0001 knife was presented to General William P. Yarborough in June and it is in his possession at present. It is our understanding that upon his death (which we hope will be a long time from now!), the knife will be presented to the Special Forces Museum. The serial # 0002 knife belongs to Lt. General Doug Brown, Commander, U S Army Special Forces Command (Airborne).

A serialized version of the "Yarborough" knife will be presented to each graduate of the Special Forces Qualification Course. Current and former members of the US Army Special Forces will be able to purchase the knife from the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Museum Gift Shop, with USASOC approval. Without the name Yarborough and non-serialized, the otherwise identical knife is available from Chris Reeve Knives. It will carry the CR logo and Harsey on both sides so to be noted as a civilian model, not the issue blade.

The Yarborough, courtesy of TSSI

Features:
Blade Material: Crucible Steel's CPM S30V stainless steel
Blade Hardness: 55-57 RC
Coating: KG Gun-Kote
Handle material: OD Black Canvas Micarta
Blade Length: 7"
Overall Length: 12 3/8"
Weight: 11.6 oz without sheath
Sheath: Airborne DeLuxe model by BlackHawk Industries, Inc.
Retail Price: $299.00

Here is a photo of the first prototype "Yarborough" knife with serial number 0001 destined for General Yarborough. Note that this original prototype is wearing green canvas Micarta. This was the original design spec but later changed to black on the production models. Likewise serial #0002 is also green as shown in the accompanying photo. The first six prototypes were all green Micarta.

Prototype # 0001, courtesy Chris Reeve Knives

This photograph shows the presentation of the first Yarborough Knives to the class graduating from Q Course on Friday August 23, 2002. While we don't know the names of the recipients, wish we did, the tall red-headed man with his back to the camera, is Maj. General Geoffrey Lambert, Commander of U.S. Army, Special Forces Group (Airborne).

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We have also just received this photograph which shows the presentation of the serial #0001 Yarborough Knife to retired General William P. Yarborough by Lt. General Doug Brown.

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U.S. Army Photo

After the presentation was made, the following report appeared in "The Pilot", the local newspaper in Southern Pines, NC where General Yarborough lives:

'Yarborough Knife': First Copy Brought to Retired General.
by John Chappell: Staff Writer
07/08/02

It's called the Yarborough knife. That's the name written on it. It isn't just any name, and it isn't just any knife. Lt. General Doug Brown hand-delivered the very first one to retired General William P. Yarborough, for whom the knife has been named. From now on, the only way to get a Yarborough knife will be to complete U.S. Army Special Forces training. Brown commands the U.S. Army Special Operations Command, headquartered at Fort Bragg, which includes Special Forces. Thursday afternoon, his command car pulled up outside Yarborough's Southern Pines home. Welcoming as he emerged were the general's son, retired Lt. Col. Lee Yarborough, and his wife, Ellen; retired Special Forces Maj. Rudi Gresham, who had served as the general's aide; and an old family friend, retired Col. Lee Mize, who won the Medal of Honor. Brown presented General Yarborough with Special Forces Knife No. 001, the first "Yarborough Knife." "It is a tremendous honor, General Brown, that you gave me the honor of this knife," Yarborough said. "You know, I tried to pass the Bowie knife, and it didn't make it. This will be an heirloom for my children and grandchildren." Gresham told The Pilot that Yarborough tried to introduce the Bowie knife years ago for Special Forces soldiers to use. "It never was authorized," Gresham said. "Later, we had what we called a SOG knife in Vietnam. General Brown got in contact with me and said he wanted to do something for General Yarborough. So, he called me and told me how he went to over 100 different manufacturers to find a knife that would be ideal." The Yarborough knife is not for show. It is in deadly earnest, a working knife for a soldier. Gresham said. "He has the first knife, and it says 001. Every student from now on that goes through the Q (Qualification) course will get one. It is only for Special Forces graduates. Retirees can buy one through the museum, but none are to be given ceremonially. The only person other than Special Forces who will get one is the commander-in-chief, the president of the United States." Gresham says many special features in the design of the knife are included to make it more useful under conditions encountered by Special Forces soldiers. "When it gets wet, it gets sticky so you don't lose it," he said. "It is a working knife. It is one heck of a quality knife." Mize told Brown that Yarborough had at last been recognized as the father of the modern Green Berets. "Sir, this is the least that they could do," he said. "I am honored to be here." Mize told The Pilot that Yarborough more than deserved the honor. "He is not only the father of the Green Berets," Mize said, "he is the one who brought us out of the Wilderness and brought us into the light. He has done more than anyone alive or dead for special forces." As to Yarborough's reaction, Gresham told The Pilot, "He was overwhelmed."

Check out the Chris Reeve Knives site for ordering instructions. This is one knife you have to own! In fact any knife they make is a great one. These folks know how to make a knife.... now if I could only convince them to make me a custom one piece hollow handled model with the USMC Fighting / Utility blade profile!!! 

www.chrisreeve.com

 

Aussie Bayonets

We continuously get questions on Aussie bayonets of the M7 and the M9 types. The Australian M7's were produced by General Cutlery. These bayonets are identical to the typical U.S. G.I. General Cutlery contracted M7's. The only difference being the markings of course and the light green scabbard which they painted a camo color. We have observed many without the camo paint and several used versions which feature faint amounts of paint still on the plastic. The Aussie’s so it seemed were following in the footsteps of the U.S. on their overall plan. The plan was to equip the front line forces with the Buck M9 and used the M7 with non combatant troops and reserves. The U.S. did not really stick to this plan and issued the M9 in much larger numbers then originally planned. It seems the Australian’s did use the plan effectively. The original Australian purchase was in 1991 along with the Buck M9's. I purchased one in the wrapper at the time they were being supplied as part of an over-run. The price was then $29.95 for the Camo M7. Very few of they bayonets surfaced in the U.S. in the previous years, they were almost unheard of. With the advent of eBay and other online auction and sales sites the Australian bayonets are being imported in ever larger numbers. This is not to be misconstrued as a large amount. They are still rather rare to find.

 

Money makes the world go 'round

A short commentary I thought worthy or reposting

One of the great mysteries of modern America is why there has not been a taxpayer revolt. So much money is wasted by the federal government that the General Accounting Office cannot even estimate the damage.

The litany of wasteful spending has been documented time and time again, but there is one situation that is worth re-stating. Much of America's foreign spending is in the form of bribes to corrupt dictators -- bribes the president and Congress are well aware of.

Perhaps the biggest thief in the world today is Yasser Arafat. The PLO chief, according to the CIA and British intelligence, has been stealing aid money for decades. This is no secret even in the Arab world, which supplies Arafat with most of his cash.

In June, a daily newspaper in Kuwait, the Al-Watan, published some documents it received from a Cairo bank showing that Arafat had deposited $5 million into his personal account. The newspaper reported the funds came from Arab aid that had been allocated for the Palestinian people, who are perhaps the most impoverished group in the Middle East.

Arafat, of course, denies any chicanery. So I guess he must have landed a big book deal or something. Maybe we can look forward to "Who Moved My Headquarters?" by Yasser Arafat. Or maybe, Yasser hooked up with Democratic National Committee chief Terry McAuliffe and got wealthy on the now bankrupt Global Crossing stock. Then again, Yasser might have been in on the conference call with Martha Stewart when she got out of Imclone. Maybe Yasser had that stock, too.

There are all kinds of possibilities here, so we shouldn't be so quick to judge Mr. Arafat. After all, maybe the Palestinian Authority issues options when the suicide bombings are going really well. There are all kinds of explanations -- and that's fortunate because Arafat's wife has a major mortgage payment each month for her lavish home in Paris.

I think Yasser learned his pilfering tricks from Boris Yeltsin. During the Clinton years, ol' Boris lived mighty large because the United States sent Russia more than $7 billion from taxpayers. Once the money hit Moscow, it disappeared so fast that Russia's chief financial auditor, Veniamin Sokolov, said this in 1998: "There must be a stop to the huge foreign loans which are like a fix to a dope addict."

Sokolov flat-out accused Yeltsin and his pals of stealing the money saying, "All the money from the IMF and World Bank have never reached the real economic life of the country."

Under Putin, a half-hearted investigation was launched, but nothing ever came of it. There is no truth to the rumor that Janet Reno was hired as a consultant to that investigation.

And then there was Bill Clinton's Haitian holiday. Under his administration, the USA sent about $3 billion to Port-au-Prince, along with 20,000 military people. The result was interesting. According to the Palm Beach Post, yearly per capita income in Haiti dropped from $260 in 1994 to $225 in 1999, Clinton's last year in office. As that great sage Hyman Roth said to Michael Corleone in "The Godfather II": "The money never reached the island, Michael."

So where did it go? Did Hillary have some kind of cattle futures deal in Haiti? Was McAuliffe playing golf with some Ton Ton Macoute over there? The head of the General Accounting Office, David M. Walker, told me the government cannot account for much of the $3 billion allotted for Haiti.

So the next time you read in the New York Times that the government desperately needs more money and must raise taxes on "the rich," think about Yasser, Boris and Aristide of Haiti. Those guys love all that taxation. They are extremely grateful that you and I work so hard to earn money that the U.S. government sends to them.

After all, why should the people who earn money get to keep it when there are corrupt politicians to be bribed? Priorities are priorities. And if you see Yasser Arafat at the Automatic Teller Machine -- please say hello to him for me.

Bill O ’Reilly August 2002

 

Quote

"I’m not nearly as concerned about global warming as I am the erosion of family values... And don’t start telling me how diversity has made this country great. There is not one Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist signature on The Constitution. My forefathers came to this country just like everybody else’s and I certainly acknowledge the rights of people of whatever culture to come and live in this country, but if a person is still loyal to the country they came from I think they should go back there."

Charlie Daniels
2002

 

Can You Believe It Department?!?

The Iranian government has relented to allow Iranian women to remove their veils in the confines of an all women school. The hard-liners say the government is encouraging nudity!

Do you know what the 3% excise tax on your phone bill is for?
To pay for the Spanish American War! The communications tax was never rescinded after the war was over. It is still collected today.

 

The Military is Looking for a Few Good Knives

This is the latest information we could locate on the ASEK. Not much but a good beginning.

Overview:
The Aircrew Survival / Egress Knife (ASEK) is intended to replace the current survival knife, providing a more versatile, improved knife for Army aircrews.

Description:
The ASEK is to be selected from Commercial-Off-The-Shelf (COTS) candidates.

The selected candidate will:
Perform functions as both an egress tool and survival knife. Cut, stab, saw, chop, dig, pound, hammer, etc. Have a cross guard and be capable of puncturing Plexiglas, as found in the canopies of various military aircraft. Be compatible with AIRSAVE and AIR WARRIOR components. Have a low visual signature, corrosion resistant. Be made so that components do not degrade in extreme cold or hot climates.

Component Materials: TBD
Color: TBD
Weight: TBD
Size: Will not exceed 11" long x 2 ½" wide x 1 ½" thick.
Basis of Issue: One per Aircrew Member
Price: $81.00 (approximate)
NSN: TBD
Status: In System Development and Demonstration. Initial fielding is anticipated in mid to late FY 2004.

 

Product Manager-Soldier Equipment
DSN: 654-3834, COMM: (703) 704-3834
Note: We do not sell retail or wholesale to private industry or individuals. The items shown on all the fact sheets are for military use and Basis of Issue authorization is subject to DCSOPS approval.

Here is the photo which ran with the above announcement. Perhaps the new knife is shown?? We did note that Jet Pilots knife with the thinned out scabbard top. First one we have seen like it.

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How’s that for wide open. They want it to be a "commercial off the shelf" item. Any bets we find a newly developed knife when the testing is over. When we asked about the knife all they would tell us is that they are currently testing a few submissions. Officially..... No Comment. We will be watching this one closely in the future for further developments. It seems the days of the Jet Pilots Survival knife are numbered. If so this could very well become the largest contract for knives in quite some time. Imagine retrofitting all those Jet Pilot knives to every aircrewman in the system! Perhaps they will come up with a better offering, time will tell. If anyone can add to this please let us know. We are all ears on this topic as well as the Current USMC Bayonet selection process.

 

Marines... Extremists?

Remember Assistant Secretary of the Army Sara Lister, who called the Marines "extremists" because they would not integrate the training and boot camp to co-ed? The Marine commanders are still getting mileage out of that one..... Extremists? You better believe it they say!!

 

Good Fiscal Advice??

If you had bought $1000.00 worth of Nortel stock one year ago, it would now be worth $49.00
With Enron you would have $16.50 of the original $1000.00 left.
With Worldcom, you would have less the $5.00 left.

If you had bought $1000.00 worth of Budweiser (the actual beer, not the stock) one year ago, drank all the beer, then turned in the cans for the 10 cent deposit you would have $214.00 in your pocket.

Based strictly on the above, our current investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle!

Sent to us via e-mail!

 

Special Forces Pocket Knives

We recently heard from an active duty SOC soldier that pocket knives are alive and well within Special Forces. As for pocket knives, just about the whole line of Gerber Legendary Blades are now available through the National Stock system. Although Gerber isn't the primary carry for most Special Operations Forces (SOF) guys, it is for many conventional forces. We’ve seen the Micro Tech L-UDT (both STERILE and non-sterile) in the hands of a lot of SOF troops. There are quite a few others that have been purchased in bulk through govt. purchase orders and issued out to the SOF guys. Most still retain the choice of carry weapons to fit the mission. That is good news.

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Modern History

This is a piece containing several excerpts from various articles I put together. It is based on New Jersey but it is certain to happen sooner or later in your state.

In New Jersey, it's a case of no message at all. The state Department of Education's revised history standards don't require students to know anything about George Washington, Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin. And in lessons covering the early settlers and America's beginnings, threatening terms like Pilgrims, the Mayflower and war -- now called conflict -- are obsolete. Gone as well are most historical accounts of the inhumane treatment endured by America's soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines in World War I and II, Korea or Vietnam. Instead, students are required to know that slavery, the Holocaust and conditions in modern Iraq are examples of "cruel and inhumane" treatment. Political correctness, on the other hand, is dumb, humorless and witless, the stuff of dull and ignorant minds. Sometimes you think certain proposals are satire until you read past the first sentence or two. Take, for example, the revisions under consideration for standards for teaching history in the public schools administered by the New Jersey Department of Education. The Pilgrims and the Mayflower, speaking of standard stories of our history, are not to be mentioned. History is not to be dumbed down, but erased. George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson aren't to be mentioned, either. Since the founding of the republic is not very important, the kids will study such luminaries as Theodore Dwight Weld and Angelina and Sarah Grimke. (Don't ask. You'll find them in the section about the Civil War, Reconstruction and slavery, opponents of.) In defense of such rank discrimination, the educationists of New Jersey say teachers don't have to be reminded of the Founding Fathers, but they do have to be encouraged to teach about those who worked to abolish slavery. Among the genuinely educated, New Jersey is notorious. Its state legislature not long ago nixed a requirement for students to recite each day a 56-word passage from the Declaration of Independence beginning with "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." This was held to be insensitive to blacks because it was written when there were slaves; unfair to women because it only mentions men. "One black assemblywoman declared that the Declaration of Independence could not apply to her either as a woman or as "a minority." Civil liberties groups questioned the phrase "unalienable right" to life, suggesting it was a sneaky euphemism for "anti-abortion" sentiment and one legislator objected to the word "creator" because it would force students to accept "a state-sponsored religion." Others said the recitation went "too far" in pushing patriotism. To regain our liberties we must, like the signers of the Declaration of Independence, commit "our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor" to that effort. Many deeply deluded intellectuals are today standing at the lectern delivering repackaged and poisonous anti-American messages to our young sons and daughters and we let them. Come to think of it future historians will most certainly reflect on the degree to which political correctness has weakened the West’s resolve and crippled it’s ability to even identify the enemy and defend itself.

 

More on New Jersey

"It reminds me of a story about a horse thief. And the jury goes through the whole case and they say, 'Not guilty, but you have to return the horse.' And he's not guilty, but you have to pay for those gifts." -- 
Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) after the Senate Select Committee on Ethics severely admonished Sen. Robert G. Torricelli (D-N.J.) for violating gift rules by receiving cash and other favors from David Chang, a former campaign supporter and convicted felon.

 

Old Paper

Here is a fun one we recently found. You hear the stories of a fellow who buys a painting at a flea market, takes it home and finds it is worth millions. Well, that didn't exactly happen here, but what we did find was unexpected. We purchased 5 old books of various titles for $1.50 after the haggling. One book had a book marker of folded cardboard in it. We tossed them in the corner when we returned home, not to be looked at for a week or so. When going through them we pulled out the book marker and noted it was folded in three. Being curious we opened it before just throwing it away. Surprise, surprise it was a poster board to be displayed in a shop window. Shown below is the full image. Not knives but close enough for us here as we enjoy anything with an edge. Enjoy, we did.

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Quote

On the topic of Iraq invading Israel....

"I would personally get in a ditch, grab a rifle, and fight and die."
William Jefferson Clinton
2002

How’s that for a quote, who does he think he is kidding, that’ll be the day!

 

Anderson’s Uncovered

A most interesting group of Anderson knives just came onto the market. And as quick as they appeared they were scooped up by our friend Bill Stone. These knives were never completed. They had the handle cast on but never finished. The thong holes are not drilled nor are the casting edges trimmed. Most notable is that the blades were never finished. This shows us how the Anderson knives were originally built. After the handles were cast in place the blade profiles were created through grinding. These four knives are the only ones I have ever encountered in this state and must be considered extremely rare in this condition. Our hopes are that they are bought by collectors who intend to keep them that way. It would be a sin to see them "finished" off as a regular Anderson knife and then sold. These four really need to stay in the unfinished shape they are in.

       

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Boxes

While we collect knives and study the background and usage we do not often consider the packaging they come in. Shown here is a box that made a few rounds and was recently offered for sale. Along with it is a crate for the Mark 2's I purchased marked with a stencil. No, it was not full of knives! I wish it were though!! Last we see a 1963 dated box that held 12 MIL-K knives sent to us by our good friend Dennis Ellingsen. Just for your viewing pleasure. Does anyone else have pictures of boxes or crates?

       

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Bright Blades

We know as fact that Camillus made bright blades for the Mark 1 on request from the Navy during World War Two. What we don’t know is the reason behind it. Has anyone ever run across any documents stating the reasoning for bright blades? The somewhat rare scabbard with the imprinting "KEEP THIS KNIFE WELL OILED" is associated with the bright blade Mark 1 and is the only one with this marking we have ever observed. They were purposely ordered without Parkerizing and produced in bulk, as Camillus Model #5683 L94 but why? The initial prototype order was on 9/16/43 for the samples. They used the standard leather washer handles with the Oris Manufacturing molded plastic butt with the Marbles supplied brass nut, the same as the Parkerized versions. They were marked with the U.S.N. obverse and the Camillus, N.Y. reverse standard marks. Another sample batch was ordered on 4/5/44 but with a blood groove or fuller on this offering. This one I have never seen. It was the Camillus Model #5683 Q32. And last but not least we have the Camillus Model # 5683 S35 with a blued steel blade and the #5683 S36 with blued steel blade and an Aluminum butt. These last few were most likely only made in sample amounts on 7/15/45 as we have never observed them in general release form. Most likely the cessation of hostilities scrubbed the idea. Thanks to Tom Williams of Camillus Cutlery for the background on these items.

   

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Photos courtesy of our good friend John Fischer who also brought up this subject for us to ponder on. Thanks John!

 

Subcontractor Markings

Our good friend Gary Cunningham is on the search again. This time Gary is looking into what we believe to be sub-contractor markings. We are trying to find out who the contractors were
for the plastic grips on the M1905 and M1 bayonets in WW2 - AB, N and PP? Also the LOC/R  Markings.

Along with this the stamping’s on the M1917 leather scabbards GF inside an oval and MS are also being questioned. If you can provide any information it would be greatly appreciated. Even a guess would be welcomed. Many guesses often lead to the trail of the facts. They often provide a great place to start. How about it, have you noted these markings on any other military items?

 

Signal Corps Inspectors Kit

We recently received from Mike Silvey a few photos of an interesting kit he just purchased. The questions is, do you know what tools originally came in these kits? Who put them together? What were they for and who were they issued to? Lots of questions we know but this is a very interesting little kit. Anyone with a Signal Corps Catalog out there?

       

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What is it?

OK, this one stumped us. "Property of U.S. Government" etched on main blade. See the Mystery Knife page for September. Guesses??

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Pancake Flippers & Scabbards

A question was recently posed to us from our good friend Garry Zalesky. Have we ever seen an L.F.&C. or EKCO pancake flipper (spatula) of the type used for the OSS scabbard frog? We may have but can not remember. We just never thought about it much, although we should have. Anyone own one we could get a photo of? What a great item to put in with the stiletto for a photograph!

 

Updated October 2002

"Bayonet Points"

We have another great announcement to make this month. Our good friend and "Student of the Bayonet", Gary Cunningham has agreed to author a monthly column for us on U.S. Bayonets. This is a moment to savor. Gary brings with him years of collecting and researching along with his proven writing skills and great photography. As the author of the bayonet book "American Military Bayonets of the 20th Century" Gary knows of what he speaks. Perhaps his greatest strength in research is his willingness to listen to all sides equally before forming an answer. Something this writer seems to forget quite often! We hope to cover from the common to the minute detail on U.S. bayonets in the future. With Gary's help we will all learn from this experience. So we invite you to check out his new column and report what you think. Gary would love to hear from you as well as would I. Questions and answers keep this ball rolling along. You know this site is really starting to shape up, we may just stick around to see what pops up next!

 

More "Green Beret" Knives

Below is listed a current solicitation for 120 knives by "C" Company 3/7th Special Forces Group (ABN). Seems the Green Beret’s are getting serious about their cutlery again. Nice going guys!

Qty of 120 Duane Dieter CQD Special Operations Limited Edition tactical folder knife (automatic, with serrated black blade) with matching hard (Kydex) and soft sheath (nylon belt holster), Brand name or equal.

Notice Date 8/15/2002
Notice Type Solicitation Notice

 

Contracting Office Directorate of Contracting, Building 556, Fort Buchanan, PR 00934-3400

Solicitation Number DAJN02-02-T-0092

Response Due 8/19/2002

Point of Contact Belkys Torres, 787-707-3960

E-Mail Address Email your questions to Directorate of Contracting (torresb@usarso.army.mil)

Description:

NA, This is a combined synopsis / solicitation for commercial items prepared in accordance with the format prescribed in Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) Subpart 12.6, as supplemented with additional information included in this notice. This announcement constitutes the only solicitation; quotes are being requested and a written solicitation will not be issued. Solicitation Number DAJN02-02-T-0092 is issued as a Request for Quotations. All references to offers are understood to be Quotations. The Standard Industrial Code (SIC) is 3421 and size standard is 500 employees. This acquisition will be awarded as a Firm Fixed Price (FFP) and is being conducted in accordance with FAR Part 12-Commercial Items and FAR Part 13-Simplified Acquisition Procedures. This combined synopsis / solicitation incorporates by reference FAR Clauses 52.212-1, 52.212-3, 52.212-4, 52.212-5, 52.225-13, 52.222-21, 52.222-26, 52.222-35, 52.222-36, 52.222-19 which maybe located at http://www.arnet.gov/. Acquisition is 100% Small Business Set Aside and award will be made based on the lowest price technically acceptable offer. Closing Date is 19 August 2002, Time: 4:30 pm Eastern Standard Time. The contractor shall provide 120 each Duane Dieter CQD Special Operations Limited Edition tactical fol der knife (automatic, with ? serrated black blade) with matching hard (Kydex) and soft sheath (nylon belt holster), Brand name or equal. Items shall be delivered FOB Destination to the following address: C CO 3/7th SFG(A), Building 519 Bundy Area, Naval Station Roosevelt Roads, Ceiba PR 00742. Please submit your quote to Fax no. 787-707-3957. Contact information is as follows: Department of the Army, Directorate of Contracting, PO Box 34000, Building 556, Fort Buchanan, Puerto Rico 00934-3400. Contract Specialist is Belkys Torres 787-707-3960. Fax 787-707-3957. Email address: torresb@usarso.army.mil.

This is a clip from the company web site telling us about the knife:

One model, the Dieter CQD® Mark I (in Limited Edition form) is likely the most advanced tactical folder ever. Opened for action, the knife measures 9 ½ inches overall, with a blade that measures almost 3 ¾ inches long. Of spear point design, the blade not only features partial serrations on the main edge, but is sharpened on the top side at the point, too. Equally important is the fact the blade is made of 154cm high carbon stainless, heat treated to an Rc of 60, cryogenically hardened for stability, and features ambidextrous thumb studs. A variety of blade finishes are available, from a satin polish to Stealth matte black Titanium Carbonitride (shown).

The larger Mark I comes with a Kydex sheath, and can be worn in the opened, ready condition. The handle on this folder is of milled, hardened 6061-T6 aluminum featuring milled Dieter Side Hilts™ at the choil area. Very important is the fact these handles feature dual "wing walk" surface material on each side, providing an absolute unbeatable gripping surface. If you've ever walked the wings of fighter planes, you'll know what we mean. The tip of the handle features a lanyard hole for those who feel it's necessary, but more importantly, the handle features what is referred to as the CQD® ATAC (Advanced Tactical) Support Blade. Actually, they are a pair of blades enclosed in the tip of the handle, and are designed for cutting cords, bands, tape, flex cuffs, seatbelts, clothing, parachute cord, etc. A final feature is a carbide window breaker positioned at the front of the handle.

The round blade release button is located on the left side of the handle. The secondary slide safety lock, when pushed up, will prevent the blade from accidentally opening, and from being closed after opening.

 

Another Solicitation!

This time it is the Navy looking for bayonets for the military academy at Annapolis. Note the wording they use. We wouldn’t want to get any mothers upset knowing their boys are playing with weapons! The word is not to be used. If fact they want replicas!

 

Bayonets - M6 w/ Scabbard Nickel Plated

Notice Date 8/21/2002

Notice Type Solicitation Notice

Contracting Office Department of the Navy, Naval Supply Systems Command, FISC NORFOLK DETACHMENT WASHINGTON, 1014 N Street SE, Suite 400 Washington Navy Yard, Washington, DC, DC, 20374-5014

Solicitation Number N00600-02-R-2366
Response Due 8/30/2002

Point of Contact Paul Martin, Contract Specialist, Phone 2024338494, Fax 2026850002, - Roscoe Crawford, Contracting Officer, Phone 202-433-5387, Fax 202-685-0022,

E-Mail Address Paul_ED_Martin@fmso.navy.mil, Roscoe_W-Crawford@fmso.navy.mil

Small Business Set-Aside Total Small Business

 

Description

PERFORMANCE WORK STATEMENT FOR M6 BAYONETS FOR USNA M-14 DRILL RIFLE

1.SCOPE

1.1 SCOPE: This statement of work establishes the requirements for M-6 bayonets for the United States Nava